Comments on: Cut & Paste http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/ agile UI prototyping Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:49:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.2 By: * http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-2156 * Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:26:14 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-2156 The particular artical is so fantastic! The particular artical is so fantastic!

]]> By: pauric http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-233 pauric Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:42:20 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-233 apologies - fitts law, not the law of my friend Fitz which is to 'drink early and drink often' apologies – fitts law, not the law of my friend Fitz which is to 'drink early and drink often'

]]> By: pauric http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-232 pauric Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:39:16 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-232 J: "You just select a child." example: checkbox in a groupbox - grouped on a popup window So selecting the checkbox requires the user to just click on the checkbox (if they want to move it or modify it in some other way) If they want to select the groupbox (which is a group of objects inc the checkbox) they must do what? click on some visable part of the groupbox? The issue I've found with this type of interaction (if I've understood you correctly) is that in cluttered design with lots of objects in close proximity it becomes difficult to select object. For example, I want to move the groupbox and all its children in the example above. I click inside the groupbox and accidentally select the popup window 'below'. Now it is in focus, I must click somewhere on the canvas to cancel focus and then more carefully (breaking fitz law) select some 'physical' part of the group to bring it in to focus. I do feel that while this is a more simple interaction it has not scaled to meet my needs with complex UIs. I get this interaction with Omnigraffle yet I still turn to the added functionalty of abstract layers to manage my complex layouts; objects over objects, grouped objects, common design elements (page headers) I would like you to further explain "Group below a group = right click." is this you layer widget? I think I see your layer widget as little different to presenting layers in the page panel, but without the ability to drag and drop object between pages. J: "You just select a child."

example: checkbox in a groupbox – grouped
on a popup window

So selecting the checkbox requires the user to just click on the checkbox (if they want to move it or modify it in some other way)
If they want to select the groupbox (which is a group of objects inc the checkbox) they must do what? click on some visable part of the groupbox?

The issue I've found with this type of interaction (if I've understood you correctly) is that in cluttered design with lots of objects in close proximity it becomes difficult to select object. For example, I want to move the groupbox and all its children in the example above. I click inside the groupbox and accidentally select the popup window 'below'. Now it is in focus, I must click somewhere on the canvas to cancel focus and then more carefully (breaking fitz law) select some 'physical' part of the group to bring it in to focus.

I do feel that while this is a more simple interaction it has not scaled to meet my needs with complex UIs. I get this interaction with Omnigraffle yet I still turn to the added functionalty of abstract layers to manage my complex layouts; objects over objects, grouped objects, common design elements (page headers)

I would like you to further explain "Group below a group = right click." is this you layer widget?

I think I see your layer widget as little different to presenting layers in the page panel, but without the ability to drag and drop object between pages.

]]> By: Jakub Linowski http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-231 Jakub Linowski Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:06:03 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-231 You just select a child. If you select a parent, it selects the parent + child. Group below a group = right click. You just select a child. If you select a parent, it selects the parent + child. Group below a group = right click.

]]> By: pauric http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-225 pauric Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:56:40 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-225 <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Pc97qAK0zo&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Pc97qAK0zo&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Pc97qAK0zo&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Pc97qAK0zo&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

]]> By: pauric http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-230 pauric Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:47:35 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-230 That sound like the way visio works, or used to when I worked with it back in the 90s. How do you solve the issue of selecting a child? How do you select a group below a group? How do you modify a child in a group (below a group) which is a instance of another master? I found it constraining in Visio and it still seems problematic. I'm not seeing how your Layer Controller affords this granularity. That sound like the way visio works, or used to when I worked with it back in the 90s. How do you solve the issue of selecting a child? How do you select a group below a group? How do you modify a child in a group (below a group) which is a instance of another master?

I found it constraining in Visio and it still seems problematic. I'm not seeing how your Layer Controller affords this granularity.

]]> By: Jakub Linowski http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Jakub Linowski Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:31:49 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-228 I like the video and my generic comment is: FluidIA moves away from traditional grouping to nesting of items. That is, placing items inside of each other as parent and children relationship. As items are nested in design time, the need to later select, reselect, deselect and lock multiple items diminishes. Selecting an encompassing parent item, also selects it's children. This is one way I'm trying to ease the activity of "refinement". I like the video and my generic comment is: FluidIA moves away from traditional grouping to nesting of items. That is, placing items inside of each other as parent and children relationship. As items are nested in design time, the need to later select, reselect, deselect and lock multiple items diminishes. Selecting an encompassing parent item, also selects it's children. This is one way I'm trying to ease the activity of "refinement".

]]> By: pauric http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-227 pauric Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:00:29 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-227 I guess the video will HQ soon, still processing maybe? I guess the video will HQ soon, still processing maybe?

]]> By: pauric http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-226 pauric Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:00:03 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-226 That didn't work. Here's a quick video of me adding a new page. Then copying a linked layer and creating an alternate 2nd wireflow <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pc97qAK0zo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pc97qAK0zo</a> You can see how I lock layers not to be touched which eases selection. That didn't work. Here's a quick video of me adding a new page. Then copying a linked layer and creating an alternate 2nd wireflow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pc97qAK0zo

You can see how I lock layers not to be touched which eases selection.

]]> By: Jakub Linowski http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/comment-page-1/#comment-223 Jakub Linowski Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:16:15 +0000 http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/12/cut-paste/#comment-223 Hey, 7) Yes. CTRL C, and CTRL V already work without the need for the popup Although the user needs to press CTRL V twice to force the paste as the prompt for paste as instance or new master is important. My other big concern about showing layers in the page panel is that the pages would be pushed aside as the space would be used up by layers. I think we should move to a more direct approach by working on items by clicking them in the workspace (as opposed to trying to find them on the panel as text representations). The popup should be more immediate as it is controlled by a HOLD / RELEASE interaction. It also saves space by only appearing on demand very close to the cursor. Also the need for a "copy" multiple layers decreases as you can copy objects and their children. Plus, now multiple select and copy paste also works. Here is what I have been thinking about the layering controller <a href="http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/03/layering-controller/" target="_blank">http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/03/layering-controller...</a> Hey,

7) Yes. CTRL C, and CTRL V already work without the need for the popup Although the user needs to press CTRL V twice to force the paste as the prompt for paste as instance or new master is important.

My other big concern about showing layers in the page panel is that the pages would be pushed aside as the space would be used up by layers. I think we should move to a more direct approach by working on items by clicking them in the workspace (as opposed to trying to find them on the panel as text representations).

The popup should be more immediate as it is controlled by a HOLD / RELEASE interaction. It also saves space by only appearing on demand very close to the cursor.

Also the need for a "copy" multiple layers decreases as you can copy objects and their children. Plus, now multiple select and copy paste also works.

Here is what I have been thinking about the layering controller http://fluidia.org/wp/2009/03/layering-controller...

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